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✎ EN Q: Polish Citizenship by Austro-Hungarian Galicia?

Dieses Thema im Forum "Immigration Poland - Polska" wurde erstellt von milty, 15. November 2009.

  1. milty

    milty New Member

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    Hi,

    I think I might have a case for a claim to Polish citizenship, can anyone verify this?

    1. Great Grandfather was born in town in Galicia, 1860s.
    2. Emigrated to the US, 1880s
    3. Gave birth to my Grandfather in 1904
    4. My father was born in 1949
    5. I was born in the 1980s.

    So, here are the facts, and my argument rhetoric:

    1. The village of my Great Grandfather was part of Galicia during Austria-Hungary empire, and is now a part of present-day Poland

    2. In the treaty of St. Germain-en-Laye, which deals with nationalities of citizens of countries of former Austria-Hungary, Article 70 states that "Every person possessing rights of citizenship in territory which formed part of the territories of the former Austro-Hungarian Monarchy shall obtain ipso facto... the nationality of the State exercising sovereignty over such territory."

    (Thus, my great grandfather would have become a Polish national through this international treaty)

    4. Article 2, Section 3 of the Polish Citizen Act of 1920 states that "At the moment of declaration of the present act, the right to Polish citizenship serves every person... is entitled to Polish citizenship based upon international treaties"

    (Thus, my great grandfather obtained the right to Polish citizenship by way of international treaty)

    - Article 4, Section 2 of the Polish Citizen Act of 1920 states that "Polish citizenship is acquired by... entitlement, recognition, adoption"

    (Therefore, my great grandfather acquired Polish citizenship as he was entitled to it)

    My other arguments are:
    - The ancestral line of citizenship is entirely paternal (I am the son of my father's father's father), which is important.

    - All three of these people were governed by the 1920 Act, while I was born in the early 80s, would be governed by the 1962 Act, which means I would be a citizen by birth.

    What I'm really wondering about is the question regarding people who left before 1918:

    - In the Article 2 of the 1920 Act, do all requirements have to be fulfilled? Because he seems to fulfill Sections 2 & 3 (born in territory of the Polish state, entitled based upon treaties, respectively), but does not necessarily fulfill Section 1, which is that he "is settled on the territory of The Polish State, as far as it is not entitled to another country’s citizenship."

    I wonder, if my great grandfather was a citizen of Galicia and emigrated to the United States, can the fact that he has a right to Polish citizenship by international treaty "trump" the 1920 Act that requires him to have been settled on the new territory?

    To further add things into the mix, I have a copy of the 1930 US Census Report that lists him as unnaturalized, having been born in Poland, and lists both parents as being born in Poland.

    I also know the town he came from, and some information about his familiy-- including the names of his father and grandfather-- which might help with the search of records.

    He was 69 at the time of the census, and I cannot find a Social Security number for him, which makes me doubt that he was naturalized before his death. I've already placed a request for US Naturalization Services to verify if he ever became a US Citizen or not...

    Not to drag on, but I realize I haven't seen this question raised before-- the question of whether former citizens of Galicia who were entitled to Polish citizenship by treaty actually acquired citizenship by the language of the act. I guess it really hinges on if all requirements of Article 2 must be fulfilled, or if some of them do.

    What do you all think?
     
  2. ck_and_partners

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    not exactly

    You pointed some interesting problem, although you misinterpretated Polish law. Polish Citizenship Act doubled decisions of Article 70 St. Germain-en-Laye treaty, and St. Germain-en-Laye didn't create any independent base to acquire Polish citizenship, when Polish law came into force (they doubled the similiar statmenent). Both of these acts were targeted for people who had so called "partinenza" in territories that belonged to old Austro-Hungarian Empire. So all people, who were eligible for Polish citizenship on the base of St. Germain-en-Laye treaty, were also eligible on the base of Polish law, but directly, as "partinenza" was base of eligibility.

    Polish citizenship Act 1921

    That problem about "partinenza" was a little bit complicated and to sum up - there was no difference between polish law and statements of St. Germain-en-Laye treaty. Article 2 (b) was related to same situation, as Article 70 treaty you mentioned.

    regards

    Michal Wisniewski
     
  3. n1144n

    n1144n New Member

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    Milty,

    How far did you get in your quest for Polish citizenship?
    What documents were needed?

    thanks, --N
     
  4. gjene

    gjene Well-Known Member

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    I could be wrong about this. But since your great grandparent left by 1880 and your grandfather was born in 1904 in the U.S. that means they do not have Polish citizenship. When you look at the various citizenship acts the 1962 superseded the 1951 which superseded the 1920 and that one superseded anything prior.
    I am under the impression that the act has been updated again sometime within the last 5 years. Even if they did not get naturalized may not help your situation. The 1920 mentions that your great grandparents had to be resident for a period of time prior to the act coming into force. This would also include being resident at the time of your grandfathers birth. If they had left after 1920 you would stand a better chance.
    If you really want to try and ascertain if you have a case, check with the nearest embassy or consulate or honorary consul. Print out the international treaty and the 1920 one and highlight the points you think are relevant to your case and provide any documentation on your paternal line. The 1951 act and whatever follows do not have much bearing on your case since your father was born in the U.S. in 1949 as well as your grandfather.
    Even if your grandfather and great grandfather did not get citizenship and naturalized, they were not resident in the territory of Poland prior to and just following the 1920 act coming into force. Please check with someone more informed about these matters. Also, take a look through all 3 sections of the Polish Citizenship Confirmation. Chances are you may find there are others like yourself in a similar situation. You may be able to garner some information from there that may or may not help.
     
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