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✎ EN British + Russian wife visiting UK - which visa is best?

Discussie in 'Immigration UK' gestart door nrubdarb, 8 jun 2008.

  1. nrubdarb

    nrubdarb Member

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    Hi Folks,

    Having been involved in lengthy and largely useless discussions with the Worldbridge visa "service" over which visa I need for my Russian wife to visit the UK, I thought I would ask here to see if anyone knows better.

    Situation:

    I am a British ex-pat living in Germany. My wife is Russian. We would like to visit the UK to see friends and relations - for the foreseeable future.

    Worldbridge reckoned we needed an EEA Family Permit which is obviously wrong.

    However, I have no idea about the other visas.

    We used to get a 6-month visa by post. Took 3 days (agency, via courier) and cost about 150 EUR (incl. visa).

    We now of course have to go to one of these VACs in Germany so my wife can be fingerprinted and scanned like a common criminal. This is a round trip of about 800 kilometers. Total cost probably around 1000 EUR, incl. car hire and accommodation.

    We obviously do not want to waste 1000 EUR making the wrong decision.

    Has anyone had a similar experience - and knows which visa is appropriate?

    Neither UK visas nor Worldbridge nor anyone else has so far given us any useful advice (i.e. definite statements) about anything.

    Hoping someone here can help.

    Cheers,


    Ed
     
  2. sebhoff

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    I'm not sure whether that's so obviously wrong. It certainly wouldn't be wrong if you intended to move back to the UK with your wife. You would then be a so-called "Surinder Singh" case...
    Have a look at section 2.5.1 in the following document:
    http://www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/documents/policyandlaw/ecis/chapter2.pdf?view=Binary

    Now, since you are only visiting and don't intend to move back to the UK, I don't know whether this will really apply. On the other hand, as far as I know, European citizens have free movement rights without having to prove that they are exercising treaty rights for three months - and having a Russian wife shouldn't have to stop them. But then again, this is Britain we are talking about... ;-)

    But maybe somebody else here can confirm this.
    Good luck!
    Sebastian
     
  3. nrubdarb

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    Hi!

    Thanks for the reply! Well, yes, it's not entirely wrong, but it's more of a case of the EEA Family Permit being "usable" but not really being a sensible choice.

    Forgive me if I sound harsh, but filling in a 17-page form, and then travelling 800 kilometers to get a visa (including being fingerprinted and scanned) to travel to the UK for 3 days in September this year seems like outright lunacy to me :=) Especially when you consider that you need to repeat the entire operation every 6 months!

    So I guess the Family Permit is of course rather more intended for those wanting to settle in the UK. Which we are not intending to do.

    I have been looking into free movement rights and am rather of the opinion that were my wife to have a Residence Card (Aufenthaltserlaubnis) for Germany (she already has a Schengen visa) then it might do the trick - without any need for visa or permit.

    I'll let you know if I get any further with my enquiries.

    She'll have to stay at home for September though - the chances of sorting this out in a mere 3 months (and over summer) seems highly unlikely.

    Cheers,


    Ed
     
  4. sebhoff

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    True - we still got ours through the mail almost 2 years ago.

    Unfortunately, Schengen is oh-so-foreign for the Brits. ;-) That argument is unlikely to work.
    Britain insists on Family Permits, although strictly speaking (if I understand the EU Directive properly), this should actually not be a necessary requirement. A non-EEA partner of a European citizen *should* be able to enter even a country like Britain without a visa as long as they can prove by other means that they are indeed that EU person's spouse. But I know of no first-hand experiences from people who have been successful with this. In your case, the additional problem (for the probably rather ignorant immigration officer) is that you are actually British and still want to exercise treaty rights. ;-)

    Again, good luck!
    Sebastian
     
  5. nrubdarb

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    Thanks for the further info - no, this is a long-term thing (being able to visit the UK in the future without having to jump through hoops), so I don't expect it to work straight off.

    The biggest problem in fact is finding somone qualified to talk to. Since I am not in the UK, the ultra-friendly UKvisas/UK Borders refuse to speak to me, directing me instead to the oh-so-fantastic Worldbridge "service", which a) is not free and b) is useless.

    It would be good to be able to contact some authority in the UK who could give me a good reason why my wife needs a visa if she is a) travelling with me and b) someone with residency rights in the EU.

    The "Family Permit" stuff is nothing more than a fancy name for what is in fact just another visa. It has the same place of issue (Visa Application Center), the same regulations (documentation requirements are very similar) and the same ridiculous Big Brother antics accompanying it (fingerprinting and so forth). It is in no conceivable form anything like what the EU Directive on freedom of movement has in mind.

    Oh, yeah - it's free. Big deal. If it takes an 800 km journey to get it, it ain't free.

    I'll let you know how I get on - but I'm in for the long haul here.

    I may even change my citizenship in protest ;-)
     
  6. Forever Red

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    Hi - I think I'm in the same boat... maybe we can keep each other up to date with any headwaywe make in all of this nonsense...
    I'm British, living in Italy, with an Indian husband.

    He's had three visa's up to now (for 3 separate weekly trips to family celebrations, over an 8 yr period - it's just so much hassle now that I hardly go home!)

    His first visa (the only option I was presented) we paid for and it lasted 6 months. The second was the EEA family one, free and issued for 12 months. The third, the same type, arrived too late for us to travel and was valid for only 6 months. They were all applied for by post, with a mountain of documentation each time (repetitively, as our circumstances were unchanged) meaning he was without his passport for about a month at a time during each application. (Unable to make an emergency visit to his elderly mother should the need arise.)

    This time we're obliged to go to Rome, from Venice. We're off there today, and I'm not at all convinced it's going to be smooth going...
    The visa's free, but the trip to Rome certainly isn't! I can't believe this visa will only be valid, again, for 6 months and, worse still, that we'll have to repeat the trip each time.

    Have spoken to sympathetic people in offices in Italy and the UK but there doesn't seem to be an inexpensive alternative. I think we're in some kind of negative loophole. (Not being taken into consideration.)

    We have no intention of living in the UK in the forseeable future, work and own our own home here, yet I feel I'm treated as a criminal by my own government. We enjoy holidays in other European countries without this hassle. It's infuriating.

    Seriously, we need to find other people in the same situation and make a bloody big fuss - get ourselves on SKY News or something. I'm furious!
     
  7. nrubdarb

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    Best of luck!

    Hi!

    Yes, it sounds as though we are in the same boat! I wish you the best of luck with your trip and will be very interested to know how it goes.

    I have taken the matter up with the EU compaints committee and they have recommended I now make a formal complaint to the UK Government. My father has also suggested taking it up with the local MP (Conservative). Scottish Conservatives (not that I am Scottish) seem to be sympathetic - cf. this post to the Times: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 453377.ece.

    We are now planning to visit my parents for Christmas so we have plenty of time I guess, and I am not going to start "making waves" while we're applying (one never know what the UK gets up to with its data these days - that is, when it's not losing it en route...).

    But, like you, we have a long trip ahead of us and we have no idea what will be there at the end of it. Did you also have to fill in the online form asking you who owns the house you will stay in while you are "making your new home in England"?

    Ludicrous!

    And the UK has the gall to suggest that it should restrict Russian visas in the light of recent events! Other than simply refusing them, I don't really see how the UK could make it any harder than it already is.

    Best of luck and stay in touch - PM if you want.

    Cheers,


    Ed

    P.S. You might be heartened to know that some are standing up to the UK. A Russian pianist due to appear at the Barbican was told he would now have to go to Rome (from Verona) to be fingerprinted (like a common criminal). He told them to forget the concert, since he would not be coming. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 07801.html. He had been appearing in England for concerts for the last 18 years. Apparently he he is now a terrorist suspect or something.
     
  8. llewiss

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    :evil:
    Hi iam a 29 year old British National
    i have been married to my russian wife for 4 years with proof of a relationship backdating 6 years
    i have recently been refused a visa for my wife who has Spanish Residence and has had for some time
    all i want to do is visit my parents and family. Ihave a business in Spain and rental contracts over a 6 year period
    can anybody help and give any info regarding what visa i need just for a weekend trip

    thanks
     
  9. nrubdarb

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    The infamous Family Permit would fit ... sort of

    Hi!

    There is -- maddeningly -- no other visa than a 6 month visa.

    You can either apply for a "real" visa (minimum 6 months) or, in your case, you should be eligible for a Family Permit. Although the FP is designed primarily for people coming to Britain to live there, it can also be used as a visa for visiting and is also valid for six months.

    The only problem is applying for it, which is long-winded, bureaucratic and slow. The online form you have to fill out (and then print!!!) is something like 50 pages (screens) long.

    But my first question would have to be: why was your wife refused a visa?

    I recently applied for a FP with my wife (see my post above) and we got it "without any trouble", although we had to apply online, print it out, drive 300 km to Berlin and back, wait in line, have fingerprints taken, etc., etc. Even though we only want to visit the UK for 10 days in Feb this year.

    There was however no question that it would be issued - so it sounds unfortunately as if you might have problems.

    The UK - as one can see - is a mad country that obviously hates people (i.e. 75% of the world) visiting but forces them to apply for visas that force them to stay (since they are all min. 6 months).

    Glad I left and I would never willingly go back!
     
  10. llewiss

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    Hi
    Thanks for your response

    i believe the problem is i dont have any official tax paymets made in spain
    i priovided all information in person in Madrid and they refuded to accept it on the ground of my non official employment
    However we deposited 5k euros each in seperate accounts and still no joy.
    I really am at my whits end my mother and father dont know what to tell my other family members . The government end up alienating peole who try to go through the correct channels.. anypne any further advice.. Surely they legally can not refuse my wife entry ???
     
  11. Forever Red

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    Hi – I do sympathise with you – I’ve had the same experience (with my Indian husband in Italy) as NRUBDARB – a slow, tedious, stupidly repetitive process for the EU family visa, and extremely unfair in that applications can only be filled in on-line (I’m computer literate, what if someone isn’t?) and while the visa is free, the journey to be photographed and fingerprinted certainly isn’t. (In our case flights to Rome – cheaper than rail or road as it happened – and a hotel for a night). And we have to do it all again in 6 mths time, for what? Maybe a single weekend visit (family celebrations) in the whole 6 mths. Madness.

    Regarding why your visa was refused, I suspect you are right.
    We certainly had no healthy bank balances to show (quite the opposite with the current mortgage rate etc) – but my husband has a full-time employment contract (same employer for 8 yrs) and while I’m technically self employed I’ve submitted letters (upon their insistence) that show my basic indispensability to long-standing clients (“we’ve employed x regularly for y years and, given her invaluable contribution to our company, intend to continue our collaboration indefinitely”)
    So as I say, despite no financial liquidity, we’ve shown we have long standing, regular and ‘official’ (contractual) employment.
    I think this is what you need to get sorted - letters or other documents that will suffice as 'official' confirmation of regular employment, irrelevant of the nature of the work or the amount earned, for at least one of you.
    You have to acknowledge that the law states that you need to pay taxes on your income once it’s above the minimum level. (How much you declare is then up to you, and good luck to you (!), but you need to declare something or you’re out of the system – visa applications or any other system, 10k or no 10k! In principle, I don’t think this is wrong…)
    In theory it won’t matter WHERE you pay your taxes (on our first successful visa application I was working in Italy but being paid into my own registered company in the UK.)
    Surely you can come up with something??? ( I don't know how you earn your income so it's hard to make concrete suggestions...)
     
  12. JohnFureey

    JohnFureey New Member

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    Please concern to the right visa service provider and If you anything else help from us then contact to us.
    I am very much happy that your wife is a Russian wife.

    Thank You
    Russian Women and Russian Brides
     
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