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✎ EN EEA2 application for travelling in EU

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  1. Northways

    Northways New Member

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    Hello there,

    I appreciate the time and effort people are making to discuss their matters with frustrating administrative issues, so far it has been really help full for me reading your postings and experiences.

    I am seeking some interesting and creative solution and opinion on my situation, which is about applying for EEA2 permit.

    I am originally Indian and my wife is French. We got married last year in France. We both work in London. We haven't applied for resident permits as a married couple,yet . Now we are in a situation where it became our most immediate requirement in shortest time.

    I am in a situation where my Student Resident card in France is expired yesterday. As well my Working holiday maker is expiring exactly 3 months after. In between, these dates I have to attend extremely important apointment in mid December in France. Let's say after 7 weeks.

    Tecnically to extend my Visa in France I need to get EEA2 permit urgently (within 7 weeks) - which is the most logical decision to think about.

    With a constrain of timing for 6 months, I am bit worried and need some advise. We thought of couple of initiative solutions for making that process faster, please give me your feed back.

    - Go to solicitors for making and placing my application in right order and with stronger arguments?

    - I have read somewhere that applying for EEA1 and EEA2 for me and my wife together would make this delay of 6 months shorter, theoretically?

    Hope fully, I tried to make my self enough explainatory to describe situation. Please do not hesitate to ask any questions... I would be more then happy to answer it.

    Regards
     
  2. thsths

    thsths Addicted member

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    This is a tricky case. If you apply for EEA1 and EEA2 together, it can be processed quickly (I think we had reports of 4 weeks here). You can try that, and if it does not happen, you can still ask for your passport back.

    If you get the residence card, you can get back into the UK. You still need to get a visa for France, but I assume that you have figured that out. Does that work even if your spouse is not in France?
     
  3. Northways

    Northways New Member

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    Thanks for your reply,

    As you said, its tricky case in short time. and I completely agree on it. What do you think of solicitor's involvement.

    does it really make sense, after paying for their heavy fees, do you have any idea about similar conditions?
     
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    I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "EEA2 family permit for the EU"...

    Sorry - just to get some facts straight: You can't get back to France because your student resident card expired? But you have to have something that confirms your right to be in the UK for the next 3 months? Or does this "Working holiday maker" refer to France, too?

    The reason I'm asking is that one possible solution I see is to apply for a Family Permit for the UK (which you haven't got, right?). This can be applied for *within* the EU (but not within the UK) as long as you are "legally resident" in any EU country. For the purposes of this application, being legally resident is fulfilled if you are a regular visitor, i.e. have not entered the EU country illegally. If this applies to France, go there and apply for a Family Permit - this has to be issued quickly and free of charge. This will give you a breather of 6 months.

    If you cannot get to any other EU country, one solution is to fly to India (or any other non-EU country that lets you in) and apply for a FP there. A bit tricky, because you never know what the bureaucrats find to make your life harder, but you clearly qualify for a FP.

    The tricky bit, I guess, is the visa for France, right? But if I see things right, this should not really be an issue. You are married to a French citizen and therefore have the right to freely move within the EU, even if you are a visa national. If the French don't want to give you a visa because you are married to a French citizen (and therefore think that EU directive 2004/38 doesn't apply) or if they want to charge you lots for it, etc., apply for a German visa (which, I guess is by definition a Schengen visa, right?). They shouldn't be able to refuse you this and once you are in Germany, you won't have any problems going to France...

    I have to admit that these are just uninformed thoughts and I haven't backed this up with any reading and I may have missed important points - but that's where I would start finding a solution.

    From my experience with the Home Office, this doesn't sound as if it was going to change things. Your application will be put in the let's-collect-dust-queue no matter what. But again, that's just my impression...

    Hope this helps.
    Sebastian
     
  5. Northways

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    Thanks for your reply,

    In my situation, I do have working holiday maker visa for exactly next three months (i.e. 24th of january2008), which allow me to stay in uk and also consider my resident status as uk resident (according to french consulate).
    My french student permit is expired ( yesterday). My talk with french embassy concerning extention of my (student)resident permit was not acceptable for them because i am married to french person and its more advisable and simple to apply for family permit to France rather then student.

    to apply for family permit in france, there are two possibilities. Long and indefinate stay(if we are planning to settle in france) OR short stay( if we are living in UK ,that is shengen visa for EU).

    In my situation we are working in london and planning to stay in london. so there for only solution left is to secure short stay for france. To meet requirement of short stay visa i need to have uk visa valid more then 3 months. -in my situation its just 3 months left. For Extending Uk visa from working holiday, only possibility is to apply for EEA family permit, which takes 6 months time.

    I havent thought about german visa (which could be wise idea) or to get visa in India ( visa in india would definately take more time then expected).

    Only problem for me is december , When I have to arrange my visit to france and so to obtain visa ( that visa could be as long as 4 years and 9 months, with base logic of 5 years EEA permit) but, i just need it for a month of december.

    I hope my explaination is clear,
     
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    Yes, I can see the problem. And you also want the residence card to get back into the UK, although you can try that even without, as long as you have your marriage license with you.

    Technically you should not need to produce a residence card to get the EEA family permit. All you need to do is demonstrate that you are a legal resident. And the requirement for more than 3 months is also flawed, so you can try to argue that point (with the French? maybe).

    I think that is probably the best idea. You can chose any country in the Schengen agreement, so it does not have to be Germany. Although I think Germany and the Netherlands should be your favourites, if you want it fast. Or one of the countries further to the east: they may be less popular destinations (but beware of the bureaucracy). Oops, that is a lot of prejudices in one paragraph :)
     
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    I think there might be some confusion about names here. The Family Permit has to be issued immediately - applications cannot cannot be added to the queue. From what I have heard, it usually takes a couple of days.

    With the Family Permit, you can enter and leave the UK as often as you like. So you apply for a registration card (= EEA2) immediately after you enter the UK, then ask for your passport to be returned - et voilà: almost six months of "freedom" while your application is in the queue. (Although joint applications are said to be much quicker.)

    It shouldn't - it would be against the law. They are supposed to issue Family Permits immediately. Remember - you are *not* applying for a visa, just for something that confirms your right to enter the UK.

    The EU directive stipulates that you can enter any EU country even *without* a visa (and even without a passport, if you take it to the extremes) as long as you can prove by other means that you are who you claim to be and are married to an EU citizen. Your right of free movement within the EU does not depend on how you entered the UK. Also, even though you currently are in the UK on a visitor visa, you are a legal resident there and have the right to work etc. - simply via being married to a French citizen...

    Good luck!
    Sebastian
     
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