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  1. porridge1978

    porridge1978 New Member

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    Hi
    I am just after some information or advice on a few things.
    I have a moroccan boyfriend and I'm just wondering:
    1) how realistic the tourist visa is in getting him to come to UK for a holiday first before marriage?
    2) Do you know if there is such a thing as an Employment Contract to come over that way to work?
    3) If married and living in UK how long would we have to wait and how easy is it to travel abroad to different countries? Visas etc...
    4) Do you know who can help me with all these queries...can the moroccan embassy in London help or would I have to go through the british embassy in Morocco....British council?

    I'd be grateful for anyone with any info! :rolleyes:
    Thanks
     
  2. Yousafzai

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    Thanx for your questions.
    You didn't mention what is your nationality because depending on which passport do you have, regulations will differ.
    However, assuming that you are British, I can give the following answers based on my knowledge.

    1..The Home Office has recently announced a new type of visa which is, I guess, exactly what you are looking for.
    It is issued for six months to your fiance/boy-friend and he could come to UK to get married. Tourist visa is I don't think
    a good option because I have heard ( even though I am not sure ) that visit / tourist visa cannot be switched to another type
    of visa while being in UK. So you should either go for Fiance Visa or this other new type. ( I am sorry I am not sure about the
    specific name given to this category ). But yes, if you do want to get a tourist visa, just to let him come and see you, you can
    go for tourist visa and depending on the case you prepare, it shouldn't be a problem.

    2...There are many different categories of work visa through which a person can come over to UK for work and almost all of them require to obtain letter / contract of emplyment before the person applies for visa in the British Embassy. You could do obtain an Employment Contract to apply for a work visa to UK but this process is lengthy and
    requires a lot more documentation. Besides, finding an employer in UK who would agree to it is also a pain because becoming such
    an employer is a pain ! In your case, I would suggest, if you have an intention to go through that way, keep it as the last option because
    getting married to him is a much easier and simpler way to get him a working visa. ( which is the usual family visa )

    3..Once you are married and living / working in UK, he would stil require a visa to visit other countries even though it will be a lot easier
    than if he does it in Morocco. There is no problem at all in getting such visas and travelling to other countries even though the time it takes
    to get a visa differs for different countries for example countries which are holiday destinations for example Spain or Greece have the
    longest waiting times for issuing visa to non-EEA citizens.

    4..You don't need to go to the Moroccon embassy or British embassy for getting information. Whatever kind of information you need is
    avaialble on internet. Home Office website is just an example. You could also google your querries and that will take you to websites of
    other law/immigration/solicitor firms where you could find answers. Your local Citizens Advice Bureau or Law Centre would also
    be happy to help.

    anymore questions, plz ask.
    good luck
     
  3. porridge1978

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    Hi!
    Thanks so much for all the information and advice...it was very helpful :D
    I have been on the Home Office Website as you suggested which seems good and I will go to the Citizens Advice to find out what they suggest also.
    Yes...I am British (Scottish), sorry forgot that important piece of information!
    The thing is...I have been up and down with what is the best thing to do. I know somebody who married quite quickly to their partner from abroad (non-EEA) and they have had some problems while being here...as in finding it hard to adjust to our lifestyle, food, weather etc...aswell as finding a job and for this reason it worries me to rush into marriage and face the same problems.
    I've just heard in Morocco (by mouth, I've not looked into it all a great deal) that the marriage visa is the easiest one to get to enter the UK and that they refuse many tourist visas.
    The ideal situation would be if he could come here for a few months to experience it all and meet all my family and friends first before making any big decisions.
    This new visa you were talking about seems good but then you have to show proof that you will get married while in the UK when applying for the visa..... :confused: For this reason I'm unsure what the best thing to do is?

    About going abroad if married...is there a time limit that you have to be married for or him living in the UK before you can apply to go elsewhere or can this be any time after marriage? What about moving to another country...?
    Sorry...I'm just interested in finding out all possible ideas and solutions as I love travelling and want/hope it will be as easy for him to travel with me.

    Thanks for all your help....much appreciated and hope you can help again! Can I ask...are you Moroccan?
     
  4. Yousafzai

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    Hello again...
    thanx for your thanx and its a pleasure that I could be of any help to you.
    first of all, you talked about adjustment in the new environment...I know it does matter for some people and they find it really hard to switch to a whole new atmosphere quickly but then I suppose thats an individual matter and you are obviously more aware of your situation ( your boy-friend's nature, temper, likes, dislikes etc ) so I am not able to say anything but yes, relationships require a lot of compromise/sacrifice/commitment to face hardships and I guess adjusting one's self to a new environment is not mountain to climb ! ( but I must admit, weather in Scotland is terrible !! )
    Finding work however, will not be a problem in UK ( as long as he speaks English ) so don't waste your time in worrying about that.
    You said you have heard marriage visa is easy to get in Morocco but I can tell you that its only a tale. There is no such thing as easy or difficult when it comes to getting a visa for any country. The Entry Clearence Officers in UK embassies abroad have rules to follow ( some of which are unspoken and non-written ) and as long as you meet the requirements, you will get the visa.
    I forgot to tell you in my earlier reply that in order to apply for a fiance visa or 'Visit for marriage' visa you must have met in person, of which photographs etc would be a proof besides of course, providing the proof that you both intend to get married in UK. You haven't mentioned if you have met in person but if you haven't, then visit visa will be the only viable option for you.
    Visit visa is also the best option in the case you don't want to take the risk of being in the situation of the person you talked about. Also, tourist visa is differnt from visit visa because one is mere a type of the other. Visit visa can be applied for, for any reasons ( as opposed to tourist visa which is only for tourism ) and your wish to meet the person you are thinking of getting married with, is a very valid reason.
    You can find a bit more information here.

    http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/servlet/Front ... 6654124706

    and in case you need to sponsor his visit, you can read through

    http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/servlet/Front ... 6977150088

    About going abroad...it has nothing to do with your marriage or how long have you lived in UK for. All what matters is his visa for UK i.e you must have a UK visa for at least six months otherwise the embassy of the country where you intend to travel, will not touch your passport.
    Regulations regarding moving abroad depend on the country you are moving to but if its within the EU, then it will be a lot easier because he will be your husband and EU law ( remember that immigration within the EU is managed by, to a large extent, the EU law and not the national laws of the countries ) facilitates such movement and gives you numerous rights regarding movement to and settlement in other countries.

    I hope this information will help. Don't forget to seek information from other sources.
    anymore questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
    wish you good luck
     
  5. porridge1978

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    Fiancee visa

    Hi Yousafzai!

    I apologise for my late reply to your e-mail. You gave me some very helpful information and advice which I am grateful for. Thank you!
    To answer your previous question I have met my boyfriend in person yes. I have been to Morocco about 12 times now so we know each other as well as we can at present :)
    I have been to the Citizens Advice Bureau twice now (it has taken some time to get an appointment and the Immigration side seems very busy as they are not based in Edinburgh) so I have yet another appointment next week. In the meantime I have been on the "Borders and Immigration Agency" website which was helpful and discovered that the "Visit for Marriage" visa is exactly the same as the "Fiancee Visa" - just another name! I have also spoken to an Immigration Adviser on the phone who advised me on the Fiancee visa...as have many others also. I feel that this visa suits us both but the problem is my boyfriend does not feel happy with this visa and seems very negative about it...
    (Just to let you know he works as a policeman in Morocco!)
    He feels that this visa will easily be rejected because the Moroccan embassy is so strict. He is also worried that if it doesn't work out in Scotland for us that he will go back to Morocco having lost everything including his job which in Morocco is very important to him.
    Do you have any further knowledge about this???
    I don't know if you have been through any of this yourself or are Moroccan and know the system??
    When I spoke with the immigration adviser he seemed to be asking me all the questions to do with my job, housing, money etc....referring to me as I will be the one sponsoring him to stay here so I don't see how this should affect him so much with the embassy's decision?
    Do you know....if this visa was to be refused is it possible to apply for another visa and if so, how long would we have to wait?
    I'd be grateful for anything you know regarding this!!!
    Thanks again!
     
  6. Yousafzai

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    Hello there.
    thanx for your appreciation, its my pleasure to be of any help to anyone.
    I am sorry I forgot to tell you in my earlier post that I am not a Moroccan at all ! :D nor have I been ever to Morocco.
    I am not aware of the specific situation/standards/criteria of the British embassy in Rabat while issuing visa but I must tell you here
    that the stories we normally hear about how strict/loose an embassy is in giving out visas are normally nothing more than tales so I would suggest
    you don't worry about it too much. Just have some faith in yourself and hope for the best.
    You can however, try to contact/visit the website of the British embassy in Rabat and see if you could get some specific information ( even though I am not sure if they would answer questions like that )

    http://www.britishembassy.gov.uk/servle ... 7170886997

    You can also check out this Moroccan forum, they have got some posts regardig UK-Morocco immigration and you might find/ask for some
    country-specific useful information.

    http://www.morocco.com/forums/

    The information which the immigration advisor gave you on phone is exactly what everyone would tell you. From my personal experience ( not myself but the people I know ) I can tell you that when it comes to fiance/marriage visa, the Entry Clearence Officer has only two things in mind to confirm. First that this marriage is not just for the immigration purposes i.e you both are a genuine couple and intend to live together permanently, which shouldn't be a problem for you to prove when you have been to Morocco 12 times to see your boy-friend ! Secondly, you will not need to go for the public funds ( benefits ) in any case and this is why the immigration advisor was asking about the money and accomodation you could provide for yourself and your fiance/husband.
    Here are the wordings of legislation that I found out.

    For an applicant to qualify for admission as a fiancé(e)/proposed civil partner, you must be satisfied that:

    the sponsor is present and settled in the United Kingdom, or is to be admitted for settlement at the same time as the applicant arrives in the UK;
    the sponsor and the applicant are aged 18 or over;
    each of the parties intends to live permanently with the other as his or her spouse/civil partner after the marriage/civil partnership;
    the parties to the proposed marriage/civil partnership have met;
    adequate maintenance and accommodation without recourse to public funds will be available for the applicant until the date of the marriage/civil partnership;
    after the marriage/civil partnership there will be adequate accommodation for the parties and any dependants without recourse to public funds in accommodation which they own or occupy exclusively;
    after the marriage/civil partnership the parties will be able to maintain themselves and their dependants adequately without recourse to public funds.
    You should also be satisfied that there is no impediment to the proposed marriage/civil partnership.


    You can also visit the link below. It has got details of all you need to know.

    http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/servlet/Front ... 1606064820

    About his job back in Morocco... I guess he is right in his worry because for fiance visa, you both would have to show that you intend to live permanently in UK so he might have to show resignation or something from his job but as I had said in my earlier post, its upto you guys to decide what do you want ! If I were you ( or him ) I would get some time off from work and go for a visit visa.

    In case of refusal of visa, you would be entitled to appeal against the decision. The timing of application for another visa ( in case the appeal is also refused ) depends on the country. In some countries you can apply as soon as you wish while in others you have to wait for a certain period of time. I am not sure about the rule for Morocco but you can find it out from the embassy in Rabat.

    You can also check out the link below.

    http://www.immigrationboards.com/

    You will need to register here and I would suggest you do it. They have got a different section for UK immigration matters so you might be able to find out something helpful.

    I hope this information helps and you guys would make yourself clear about all the stuff soon. In the end, I would say as I always say, don't forget to seek information from other sources because here on this forum, people including myself, would tell you only what they know or have been through and it might not be conclusive.

    wish you good luck
     
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    more marriage!

    hi porridge and yousafzai,

    how are you?

    porridge, how did your marriage plans pan out? i'm also looking to marry in morocco and sorting out the details. i've also done quite a lot of research into it so let me know if i can try to help with you anything.

    yousafzai, you seem very knowledgeable on this topic!

    i had a few questions for both of you, if you would be able to help please:

    1. the embassy info says to take our documentation to the town where my fiance is from. he is from fes but we would like to get married in a different district. do you know if this is possible?

    2. do you know how long it takes for the consular officer's signature to be legalised, and for the family court to issue permission to marry?

    i'm basically trying to figure out exactly how long i need to be there for before i book my tickets!

    Many thanks

    Shama
     
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