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✎ EN Have you been brought to tears over immigration issues?

Discussion in 'Immigration UK' started by Reeny, Jun 20, 2007.

  1. Reeny

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    I don't know about you guys but everytime I've looked into applications, and policy's and proceedures, I've just hit one more brick wall, one more hurdle, one more bit of bloody criteria that keeps me and my partner on other sides of the planet.

    I've lost count of tears over costs, and visas and forms and regulations, and directives and policys, and people telling me no, thats not the right form for you.

    Is it just me??? Have you all been through this?? I'm at the point where I don't even care which country I live in. Any thats happy to take an australian and a pole and let them be together and work in the same country at the same time would be fine.
     
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    Hi Reeny

    Yes, I sometimes have the same feeling. Sometimes it takes a lot of reading and conjecturing to come up with a good solution.

    I found the European law actually quite helpful. It is civil law, not common law, which makes it easier to read, and it actually defines rights for the immigrants, not just rules.

    That being said, I also found the German caseworkers to be rather helpful. I know that asylum cases can take a while, but otherwise they are rather fast. My case was sorted within a week or two. I am sure there are other countries like it, but the bureaucracy in Britain or Ireland is certainly not as nice to deal with.
     
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    :lol:

    It aint that bad ;)...
    at least you know where you stand....most of the time... :twisted:
     
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    British law seemed quite logical to me, and the bureaucracy is not a problem. The problem often lies with individual bureaucrats. Don't be afraid to make a complaint to the chief pen-pilot at the Embassy if your application is refused for a reason you consider to be illogical, and don't be afraid to make the complaint quite robust. Just don't swear.
     
  5. Reeny

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    I got really tired of UK immigration telling me "if you were married..." Relationships just don't come in a one-size fits all package. so when you ask for rules on how to actually get married, you are directed to another pile of forms and another pile of fees. I'm not even sure I really want to live in the UK. Its more a matter of, if you have to choose between Australian immigration, and English immigration, you take the lesser of two evils. I'd even go to live in Poland, Spain, or France if my partner was happy to go there.

    What ticks me off with my home country is they treat everyone like they are criminals from the first instance. From filling out forms to supermarket shopping (where you get your bags checked as you leave the store)

    I actually read a quote from former immigration minister amanda vandstone once, who said (regarding those who wished to join their children in australia) that she wouldn't admit someone into the country based on the fact that they conveniently slept with an australian at the right time.

    I'm embarrassed about my government. I'm embarrassed by my country's ignorance, I'm embarrassed by the coldness it protrudes to people from other countries, and I can see why everyone is heading to NZ for their southern adventures instead.
     
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    Well, I can't vouch for every case worker, but in my view you should rather blame the system than the individual. And there are many things wrong with the BIA.

    * Having it all centralised. They know neither my neighborhood nor my employer in Croydon.
    * Taking months for straight forward applications. The work doesn't get less if you don't do it...
    * Trying to keep your passport for the whole time.
    * The idea of "going back home to apply" seems pointless.
    * ID cards? What a joke...

    Of course this judgment is always relative, but I wouldn't give the BIA any particularly good grades.
     
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    Triple H


    In the 90`s Home Office had a major problems.Passports went missing(they even found documents and passports in rubbish bins in Croydon if I can recall it),new computer system got finally instaled,it was a bad start,but now I think they have an idea what is going on.
    No system is perfect:red tape,untrained staff,human errors....
    All this said I still think the UK immigration is fair and up to the job.
     
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    I'll clarify: to date I've only ever had dealings with the Foreign Office, and a very helpful young lady in the Shanghai Consulate whose name sadly escapes me. Our trials with the Home Office won't begin until next year, when we have to do the whole "Indefinite Leave to Remain" thing. That I do dread, so I'm spending time now to find out what we need and start assembling the file...
     
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    Kaitain,you are nearly there,nothing to worry about ;)
     
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    Hi Reeny,

    I've definitely felt the same way at times. It seemed like each step we wanted to take, we found something blocking our way, whether it was trying to find a country to get married in (New York State ended up being our easiest and least expensive option), or the fact that our landlord decided to sell the flat less than two weeks before I needed to apply for my EEA Family Permit. My mother has a good perspective. She says that if all of this paperwork and visa junk is the biggest hurdle we'll ever have in our relationship, that we should consider ourselves lucky. Right now, my application is being processed, and I hope to have my permit in the next couple of weeks. Every time you hit one of those brick walls, just take a deep breath, look at the person next to you, and figure out a way around it. You'll get there eventually! :)
     
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