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Discussion in 'United Kingdom' started by NeedOut, Jun 3, 2006.

  1. NeedOut

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    A guy from London said that "the tax system is quite straight-forward although you do have to pay a (small) council tax also". OK, I thought. And it did seem quite nice when I did the calculations based on info from Easyexpat.

    But then I read this: "This does not cover employees national insurance, which is essentially another tax. This is taxed at a rate of 11% for money earned per week between £84 and £645 per week. For most incomes this tends to work out around an additional 10% to the tax rate."
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_bracket

    The guy from London also bragged about healtcare being free saying "we have just gotten used to take it for granted". But is it really FREE?

    Is there any extra taxes he forgot to mention perhaps? Give me an idea of the realistic tax burden.

    He also said an average salary is around 25000 pounds a year and the annual leave "legal limit" is 21 days "including Bank holiday". Is he right?

    (btw is it just me or is the tax information about Australia on this site completely wrong? and not as "heavy" as claimed?)

    Greatful for help!!
     
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    A general GP visit is free and most of the genral hospital costs are as well. However I remind you that, as a UK taxpayer you pay for it in your National Contribution mainly.

    However this amount is small (in comparison to your national tax) and about 2% (12.5% for the employer). change => actually 5-10% NIC

    Council tax varies from cities (or borough in London) so even in London you can have huge difference (£500 in Wandsworth, £1500 in Westminster) and it is not cheap.
     
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    But what about the "national insurance tax" as described at Wikipedia? Does that "extra 10 % tax" not exist or what?

    Are there any other taxes apart from the income tax, council thingie and 2% national contribution?
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    There is no extra 10% tax but what I said in my message above.
     
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    OK so there are realatively low income taxes which for the average worker rarely exceed the 22% bracket, then there is a council tax fee and a healtcare tax called national contribution of 2%.

    And there is no such thing as national insurance as stated at wikipedia...

    And there are no other extra taxes, so it works out pretty low - like around 25% or less total of the salary for the average worker when the full calculation has been made.

    No buts about this temporary conclusion?

    Thanks for your advice!
     
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    Regarding Wikipedia, I assume you talk about this:
    I changed that last bit from Wikipedia as the percentage depends really on your salary, between 5 and 10% roughly (National Insurance = National Insurance Contribution = National Contribution). See the explanation here: http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/rates/nic.htm (as quoted on Wikipedia actually)

    It is not pretty low, it depends on your salary. If you earn about £10,000/month (as an IT Contractor or a Senior manager in bank, not talking about traders) then you will be closer to 35%-40%.

    And don't forget that on top you are strongly advised to pay for your private pension (about 10% of your monthly gross salary is advisable).

    You can try the tax calculator here: http://www.ir35calc.co.uk/
    2 examples:

    Salary 35,000
    Tax code 503L

    Tax Calculations
    Employees NI 3,149 = 9%
    PAYE 6,333

    Personal Income
    Net Annual Income 25,517
    Net Monthly Income 2,126

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    Salary 50,000
    Tax code 503L

    Tax Calculations
    Employees NI 3,299 = 6.5%
    PAYE 11,732

    Personal Income
    Net Annual Income 34,968
    Net Monthly Income 2,914

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    Salary 15,000
    Tax code 503L

    Tax Calculations
    Employees NI 1,095 = 7.3%
    PAYE 1,933

    Personal Income
    Net Annual Income 11,971
    Net Monthly Income 997
     
  7. NeedOut

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    Thanks for your reply.

    I still don´t get it though. If normal workers are taxed say not more than 20% if you are lucky in normal income thax.
    Then they are also taxed 10% in "national contribution".
    And then they are advised to spend 10% on pension, which I thought was the government´s job! If they don´t, they are screwed or what?

    Ehm, doesn´t this actually add up to 40% real-life TAX!?

    If this is what normal workers are taxed (more than 30%), then I wonder how the high salary workers are only taxed 35-40%?

    If I made 10 thousand pounds a month, I wouldn´t care if they taxed me fifty percent though...! Who makes that kind of money anyway! You?!

    I am not a contractor, just interested in what a normal worker would pay in taxes totally in real life.

    Btw, is this pension thing sponsored by the government using tax money in Australia? Or are there extra hidden SUPER taxes down there too?

    The more I dig, the more surprises come up so I never really know what I should believe.
     
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    The state pension payed by the state after 45 years is very little in UK. That's actually why there is a proposal from the government to change it and to make a mandatory higher contribution from each salary.
     
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    Did you first write that the national contribution (which is also called national insurance I guess) was at 2%, but afterwards change that number to 10%? I am very confused... I think you also said that there wasn´t any 10% tax, but is there??
    What kind of tax is the "2% tax" you were talking about?

    How is the pension stuff in Australia and are there any extra hidden taxes down there?
     
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    You will see the change in my second message (I initially wrote 2% to show that it was very small, but I gave examples that are more betwen 5-10% so I corrected my statement).

    In addition indeed I say again that there is NO 10% tax. This is complete no sense. I showed it depends on your salary. If you want an example, take a salary of £150,000/year (some IT contractors earn that in London) and you will see that they have a NIC of 2%.
     
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