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✎ EN Irish or UK spousal visa??

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  1. shopgirluk

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    I am a UK citizen marrying a Morrocan national in Morocco. Once married we will be applying for a spousal visa for him to join me in the UK. However, I have just found out that I am entitled to an Irish passport as my father is from Northern Ireland and this is now recognised as part of Ireland.

    The UK embassy in Morocco sound pretty tough and don't want to give Moroccans UK visa's. They have just increased the application fee from £300 to £500 too! The Irish spousal visa application is free and generally Ireland seems a little more laid back and they're quicker too.

    My application is 100% genuine but I'm worried that it will be refused and I will have to pay £1000 to appeal.

    Does anyone have any experience or advice on whether I would be better off applying for an Irish spousal visa instead? As they're part of EU he would be able to come to the UK, etc.

    Thanks!
     
  2. Triple H

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    I have just read your posting, I hope you have by now received the Visa.

    If not here is some information, if you travel on an Irish Passport and apply for a Spousal Visa - it should be granted without any delay, freeing you to enter the State and credited with full and equal rights as an (Irish or EU National), he'll have to register with the Garda (IB), but that's just a simple legal formality.

    You can then enter the UK (common travel area) or the EU as the spouse of an EU national.

    Alternatively if as it sounds you hold a UK Passport, all you need to do is travel to another EU state, spend a little time (week/month),then re-enter the UK with your husband under EU Law (don't forget to apply for the visa) as an accompanying spouse, he will be treated as an EU national with equal rights as yourself and having full entitlement and work, study etc. This will be granted, as it is covered under EU law (freedom of movement).

    The Irish consulate in Casablanca are at times slow but on the whole helpful and efficient (when pushed).

    If you need help let me know.
     
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    I am a non-visa national and my partner is an Irish /British citizen. I was hoping you would advise...

    We are planning to get married later this year in Dublin but I am unsure about a couple of things..Once married in Dubin, we will be in Ireland for three weeks and plan to travel to the UK straight away as this is where my partner currently resides.

    We are considering our options and have decided to move to Ireland in a few years time. But in the interim when moving to the UK ...I am not sure but do we need to apply for a Spouse Visa or an EEA Family Permit. I have read others experiences and it seems that not only is EU Law more human rights orientated but applications seems to be processed quicker.

    In both cases, can these such applications be made in Dublin prior to travelling to the UK or should applications be made in my home country? I have read that spouses of an Irish Citizen is treated equally and holds the same right as their partner...but I am not sure of the formailities once we are travelling back in the UK and if this can be sorted out in Dublin with minimum delay as we will be in Dublin for a maximum of three weeks.

    Any advise you can give would be helpful.

    Kind Regards
    M Kelly



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  5. Triple H

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    Once married you could apply for Family Permit in Dublin
     
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    Thanks for you reply Triple H.

    Applications for a Family Permit in Dublin: I just wanted to clarify as I read that my hubby and I would need to apply for the permit in my home country rather than Dublin...

    Any advise or links that you could provide would be gratefully appreciated.

    Kind Regards
    M Kelly.
     
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    http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/servlet/Front ... 8721068382

    The applications are done online.
    If you are non-visa national you wouldnt need Family Permit,but you would not be able to work till you get residence card.

    See here,thsths explained very much in detail@

    http://www.easyexpat.com/forums/ftopic_13012.htm
     
  8. MKelly

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    We will be travelling from my home country to Dublin. Because I will not need a visa to enter Dublin, we will be travelling for the purposes of getting married and staying a max of three weeks. I have been advised by the Irish Embassy that I will be given a time limit when I enter Dublin althought I can enter for a maximum of 90 days with the need for a visa.

    So long as I am able to complete the necessary application within this specified timeframe and entering as a non-visa national with limited leave - I would be able to apply in Dublin as I would be 'legally in state' as a visitor?

    On another note, I have come accross a publication that may be useful to Expats moving to London (published for other countries as well) available from Borders. It is titled:

    London Explorer: The Complete Residents' Guide( Living & Working for Expats): The Complete Residents' Guide (priced at £12.99).

    Kind Regards
    M Kelly
     
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    Yes , what nationality are you?
    Does your partner actually live/work in the UK?


    Hmmm,is that an advert for that book.?? :twisted:
    No need to pay,just look here@

    http://www.easyexpat.com/london_en.htm
     
  10. MKelly

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    Woops, not an advert.. but after purchasing it yesterday and reading through it lastnight - there is not much on visas and associated formalities as I thought there would be.

    I am a Citizen of Trinidad and Tobago which is apart of the Commonwealth (if that helps in anyway).

    Yes, my partner is and has always lived and worked in the UK. He holds both British and Irish Citizenship (Irish by decent).

    Thanks for your responses Triple H, they are greatly appreciated.

    Kind Regards
    M Kelly.
     
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    I am happy I found this thread. My fiance is Moroccan and we are planning on marrying in Agadir, Morocco in February 2008. I've been trying to do research on what paperwork we need etc etc, and I'm just getting confused and panicked. The last thing I want is for all my family and friends to fly over from Ireland and for there to be a problem and the wedding not happen. I'm starting to get really worried about it and would really appreciate if there is anyne who knows about all this stuff, could give me some advice....my fiance seems to think its all very easy, but I'm completely stressing out over it now.
     
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    SPOUSE / FAMILY MEMBER OF AN IRISH / EU CITIZEN
    1. Completed Visa Application form (in duplicate) along with two recent
    passport sized photographs not more than 6 months old.
    ALL QUESTIONS ON THIS APPLICATION FORM SHOULD BE ANSWERED. FAILURE TO DO THIS WILL RESULT IN REFUSAL
    2. Original Passport valid for at least 6 months after the intended date of departure
    from Ireland following visits.
    3. All previous passports.
    4. The required visa fee in the form of DD in favor of “Embassy of Ireland, DD’s can be obtained from all VFS Application centers.
    Please enclose original & one photocopy of following document/s
    4. Passport or other proof of Irish / EU citizenship of spouse (Original plus one photocopy of data pages, blank pages need not be copied.)
    5. Original Marriage Certificate with (where appropriate) a notarized English translation
    6. The EU spouse’s birth certificate must also be presented in cases of discrepancy between the passport & marriage certificate
    7. A detailed account as to how Irish/EU citizen met the applicant. For recent marriages and marriages where you have not yet resided together:
    • Please give a full account of the relationship history – when and where you met and show evidence of this such as visas, entry/exit stamps on passport of Irish / EU national.
    • You must satisfy the visa officer that the relationship is bona-fide.
    8. Evidence that the Irish/EU citizen has sufficient funds to maintain his/her spouse. Please submit pay slips and P60s in support of this.
    9. Letter from Irish/EU citizen’s current employment contract.
    NOTE: All letters submitted should be on official company headed paper and give full contact details for verification purposes. These must include a full postal address, name of contact, position in company, telephone number (landline) and
    email address where relevant. (Email addresses such as Yahoo or Hotmail are not accepted). Website addresses should also be included if available.
    10. Details of Irish/EU citizen’s accommodation in the state – please submit rental agreement, mortgage details and a recent utility bill (Gas / Electricity) in support of this.
    11. Details of non EU nationals immigration status to EU country if exercising EU treaty rights.
    12. If, while your spouse was residing in Ireland, you married by proxy, it will be necessary for you to obtain a declaration from the Irish Courts under Section 29 of the Family Law Act 1995, to confirm that the marriage is recognised in this State.

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    What nationality are you?
     
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    I'm Irish....thanks for all that, but I'm only at the wedding stage, so am looking for the paperwork needed to marry in Morocco.
     
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    Triple H, thanks for your reponses, they have been extremely helpful. I was wondering if you could advise... when applying for an EEA Family permit from within the EEA, as a non-EEA member, I would need to show that I am legally living in an EEA member state.

    My partner and I are getting married in Ireland after which we were planning to submit an application for the EEA Permit in Ireland prior to travelling to the UK together.

    However, I have seen on the British Embassy website in Dublin (http://www.britishembassy.ie/) that to submit a long term stay visa application at the British Embassy in Dublin, you must be legally resident in the Republic of Ireland in a capacity other than a visitor...

    Can you advise, is there an alternative to a visitor visa I should be applying for?

    Ideally, we would like to submit the EEA Family permit application from within the EEA so that it is dealt with under EU law.

    Pls advise..

    Kind Regards
    M Kelly
     
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    How do my family members apply for a family permit?
    They can apply for the EEA Family Permit at any British mission overseas that offers a full service visa-issuing office. If they are applying for an EEA family permit from within the EEA, they will need to show that they are lawfully resident in an EEA member state.

    Looks like things have changed :( , in the last 3-4 weeks.

    The term they used before was :

     
  18. MKelly

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    Seems there are some changes including processing of UKVisas to an outsourced commercial partner: Worldbridge Services. I am not sure if this term 'legally living as opposed to legally resident' applys to all applications made from other EU countries. Do you?

    Also, can you advise once married and travel to the UK together, without and EEA Family permit but as a non-visa national, does the fact that I am travelling as a visitor affect my application for a residence card once in the UK?

    My reason for asking is that, and excuse me if I may be looking to deeply into the technicality of things, but for my undertsanding the EEA Family Permit shows the intent of longterm / permanent residence with your EEA Family member. Is it therefore compulsory that you apply for the EEA Family permit if once in the UK you will be submitting an application for a residence card? Does non application of the EEA Family Permit have a bearing on my future residence card application?

    Pls advise...

    Kind Regards
    MKelly
     
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    I am not sure about as its the first time I`ve seen.

     
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    I think you can do that.I`ll try to find hard copy that can confirm it.
     
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