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Discussie in 'Immigration UK' gestart door denispearl, 5 mrt 2007.

  1. denispearl

    denispearl Member

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    Hi.
    This is a question for POLSKASWEETY first but for all as well.
    I have received my FRMS visa already.
    I want to go for a week with my polish wife to Poland.
    But I'm not sure is it possible to come back with only FRMS in my passport.
    I'm not the EEA citizen.
    Please anybody tell me can I come back to the UK with my polish wife if I have FMRS in my passport.
    Thank You very much.
     
    #1 denispearl, 5 mrt 2007
  2. polskasweetie

    polskasweetie Addicted member

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    First of all, since you are the spouse of an EEA national, you technically don't need a visa as your rights are derived from your marriage to your EEA wife. The FMRS is only a formality with the Home Office to readily identify those who can come in and out of the UK whose passport is non-EEA.

    As for your travel plans, as long as your FRMS is current, then yes you can go to Poland with your wife and go abck to the UK with only your FMRS, since you will be travelling together.
     
    #2 polskasweetie, 5 mrt 2007
  3. denispearl

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    Hi. Thank You very much for your help. But one I can not understand - what does it mean 'since you are the spouse of an EEA national, you technically don't need a visa as your rights are derived from your marriage to your EEA wife'? Why I applied for Family Permit than? Why I need visa to every EU country? Can You make it clear, please.

    Additionally, the Home Office did not answered me clearly on my FMRS question. This is a answer:The United Kingdom Immigration Service decides whether to grant entry to
    a person arriving into the United Kingdom through the immigration
    control at the time of arrival, on a case by case basis. We cannot
    advise on a case in advance of that arrival.
    Please be advised that, when entering / re-entering the UK, a foreign
    national will be required to show a valid visa allowing them entry to
    the UK, for those categories where this is required, along with
    evidence that they are entering / re-entering for the same purpose.
    I hope that this is of some assistance to you.@@@What does theyr answer mean?
    Hmm
    I hope that You know the truth.
     
    #3 denispearl, 6 mrt 2007
  4. polskasweetie

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    Since you are married to an EU national, you do not need a visa to enter/leave the UK. In lieu of a visa, you need the family permit (FMRS) which is free to apply for and valid for a period of 6 months. Your next step after finishing the FMRS is to apply for the EEA2 form (if you are the non-EU person) and this entitles you to a residence card valid for 5 years that will allow entry/exit to the UK.

    The rights of an EU citizen is automatically passed on to you because you are married to an EU citizen, but you still need some form of documentation on your passport to readily identify you as such since your passport is non-EU, and as such, the FMRS, EEA2, EEA4 forms are there to be applied for, for free, that will tell the UK immigration officer that you are the spouse of an EU national and can enter/leave the UK as often as you wish, so long as the permits are valid and current.

    For other EU countries, depending on which they are, yes you still may need to apply for a visa, which I am not familiar with as it varies from country to country, and you will continue to apply for visas to these countries as long as your passport continues to be non-EU. Once you have an EU passport, then the need for visas is then made unnecessary. Remember though that you can only obtain the EU passport (without naming any specific EU country) after satisfying residency and citizenship requirements of that country.
     
    #4 polskasweetie, 7 mrt 2007
  5. denispearl

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    Hi. Thanks for your help. I see that you very reliable person and I really appreciated you.
    But one pioint I want to make clear - "In lieu of a visa, you need the family permit (FMRS) which is free to apply for and valid for a period of 6 months. Your next step after finishing the FMRS is to apply for the EEA2 ".
    That document, which is valid for 6 month called Family permit. Isn't it?
    After family permit can be FRMS. After FRMS EEA2.
    Is it right?
    So now I got not a family permit, but FMRS.

    Can You tell me, please if my wife will apply with form EEA1 can we apply together (i need EEA2) or I need wait until her residence certificate will issued??
    Thanks so much for your help.
    Denis
     
    #5 denispearl, 7 mrt 2007
  6. denispearl

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    There is one question that I want ask.
    I just have received an answer from Home Office about FMRS and travel abroad.
    What do You think about it?
    Thanks
    This is an answer:"Please note that it is the Immigration Service which decides whether to
    grant entry to a person arriving into the United Kingdom through the
    immigration control at the time of arrival, on a case by case basis. We
    cannot advise on a case in advance of that arrival.
    Please be advised that, when re-entering the UK, you will be required
    to show a valid visa allowing you entry to the UK."
    What does it mean "valid visa" in my case? Is FRMS not enough?
    What to have all clear about future travel;)
    Thanks very much
     
    #6 denispearl, 7 mrt 2007
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    The response you got from the Home Office is standard reply to all who ask about coming here. I already mentioned that since you are married to an EU citizen, you DO NOT NEED ANY VISAS to enter/leave the UK.

    FMRS is the form for a family permit, which is what you said you have. EE2 is the form for a residence permit.
     
    #7 polskasweetie, 7 mrt 2007
  8. denispearl

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    Can You tell me, please if my wife will apply with form EEA1 can we apply together (i need EEA2) or I need wait until her residence certificate will issued??
    Thanks so much for your help.
    Denis
     
    #8 denispearl, 7 mrt 2007
  9. polskasweetie

    polskasweetie Addicted member

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    you can apply together and mail both forms together.
     
    #9 polskasweetie, 9 mrt 2007
  10. denispearl

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    Thanks so much for your help Dear.
    Take care.
     
    #10 denispearl, 9 mrt 2007
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