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Shoptime EEA2 AND EEA3 CASE ISSUES

Discussão em 'Immigration UK' iniciado por jane1981, 16/10/06.

  1. jane1981

    jane1981 New Member

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    Hi, I have some nagging immigration questions, which I hope, can be answered on this site. I am an EEA national who has been residing here for almost 5 years. The first time I came into this country in April 2002, I had a student visa and was also working part time and in 2004 I no longer required any visa to be in this country due to the accession that happened in that period hence, I began working full time. My husband is a non-EEA national who has also been in this country for over 5 years and is a failed asylum seeker, we got married a couple of months back and as a result launched both EEA3 and EEA2 applications shortly afterwards. Within the initial EEA3 application form, I had not included my passport but had instead submitted my UK issued driving licence. My question is does this not constitute proof of my nationality and identify?, can this document be described as one issued by an EEA member state?.

    I got a phone call from a European caseworker last month, stating that they were looking at the applications as I had persistently sent letter after letter asking for an update. The individual suggested, although not in any clear way, that I might not be able to qualify for this permanent residency, which I was applying for due to the 5-year rule not being fully satisfied. My question is, from the information that I have provide can you tell me when would I be able to qualify for this permanent residency? As the conversation went along he suggested that he would instead be able to issue me with a Registration Certificate, as I must admit I had not done any substantial research on these issues and as a result was unsure as to what this piece of documentation meant, so I just agreed to it thinking the document would have the same effect as the EEA3 application which I had initially made.

    A few days afterwards I received a letter stating I had to submit my passport for this EEA1 application to be processed, so in turn I wrote to them indicating I had no wish towards applying for such a document as I had by now done more in depth research towards what this document constituted and hence did not feel the need for submitting my passport in fulfilling this Registration Certificate as the letter had indicated as being the reason for requesting my passport ( maybe my own interpretation ). As I had felt that the letter was unclear as to what the submission of my passport would have achieved, to my surprise I received refusal letters for both applications in the post a few days ago and in the letter relating to the EEA2 application, they had stated that they had written to me asking for my passport as a means of processing or aiding in processing this particular application and I had failed to do so, therefore this was claimed as one of the grounds for refusing the application.

    This point about not submitting my passport and being the basis for this refusal I do understand, but does it matter whether I apply for this EEA1 application or not ?, as to my understanding this is not a mandatory requirement which should not necessarily affect the EEA2 application if its absent and furthermore, I thought the requirement for an EEA2 application to be processed with relation to this point, is the establishment that I have been exercising my treaty rights for a period exceeding 12 months. than a year, Can I have clarification on this point?. The other reason why they had refused his applications was the absence of a ‘valid national passport or ID card or any other documents as evidence of your identity’. This is exactly the nagging point I am seeking clarification upon. He had submitted his passport years back into the hands of the Home Office and was not issued with this ARC Home Office card ( which acts as a form of photo ID ) at the time and from what I have been reading, such persons in this situation have to produce such documentation if their EEA2 applications are to be processed. Can I get clarification on this particular matter?. How can an individual be asked to submit such documentation if the Home Office itself, is in possession of this information? Or do I once again have my wires twisted on this requirement?

    In the EEA2 refusal letter it further goes on to mention that ‘ however, if you submit the evidence required your claim to have a right of residence under European law will be fully reconsidered’ and as such I have already sent my passport which I was asked to sent in the first place, although in my own opinion not clear enough. Finally yet importantly, does anyone have a clue as to how long this reconsideration process takes and any clues on appeal procedures, just to cover all basis?

    Note : I do now know that on the EEA3 application the grounds for refusal stated are justifiable and affects me in no real way if I am unable to qualify for this documentation at the present moment but the matter that remains Is that of clarity within the facts i raised about the EEA2 application..
     
  2. littlegreenman

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    Oh my... if they ask you for your passport you should give them your passport. A driver license is not an identity document that is proof of your citizenship or your rights etc. For example I am a Canadian Citizen staying in Singapore and I have a Singaporean driver's license.

    Further you simply CAN NOT apply for an EEA2 for your husband unless you have at least an EEA1 for yourself, whether you like it or not. Also in order to apply for the Indefinite Leave to Remain (EEA3) you must have stayed in the country previously for 5 years. However as they don't give you a visa or anything as an EEA citizen upon entry they wouldn't know when you left the country in the meantime and when you came back etc. So from my experience you can only get the EEA3 for yourself after having been on the EEA1 for 5 years as this is the only way they can see that you have been in the country for 5 years (doesn't really make sense as you can still leave the country any time but who cares).

    Fact is, whether you like it or not, the home office is still a public office and they go by the book. So if you want a visa for your husband you have to take what they give you and if they ask you to supply your passport and your husband's passport you better do it because if you don't give it then all you will get is a rejection.

    Hence my suggestion is that you apply for your EEA1 and at the same time for your EEA2 so it is sure that your husband can stay. Afterwards you can try applying for EEA3 for yourself if you feel like it (shouldn't make much of a difference for yourself at all as you don't get any extra rights that you need urgently). However I do not know if that will be successful as I am quite sure you must have had the EEA1 to prove your 5 years stay. But you can give it a shot. Also keep in mind, the more documents you give them including of course your passport, the faster the whole thing will go. Don't try to argue with them, you can only lose.

    If you go to http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/applyi ... unationals and scroll to the bottom you can see which applications they are processing currently.

    Good luck!
     
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