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✎ EN EEA citizen moving to UK with Non EEA same sex partner

Temat na forum 'Immigration UK' rozpoczęty przez ian-m, Lipiec 12, 2005.

  1. ian-m

    ian-m Member

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    I am clear from the many posts on the subject (in particular Coyan's responses) that an EEA family permit should not be issued to an unmarried partner, although no doubt this will change when UK Civil Partnership legislation starts operating on December 5th 2005.

    An unmarried partner seeking to enter the UK at the same time as their EEA sponsor, therefore, has to apply on the settlement form VAF2 (and should get a 2 yr visa), although it is quite probable that the EEA sponsor will not, at that stage, have a residence permit in the UK.

    If this is correct, there is a clear inconsistency between the situation for unmarried partners of EEA citizens applying from inside the UK ( when a joint application is made on the form EEC1) and those applying from outside the UK on the form VAF2

    Within the UK, the EEA citizen needs a residence permit in order to sponsor their unmarried partner (as that is the basis of form EEC1) whereas if they are entering the UK together, the EEA citizen needs only to be an EEA citizen about to exercise his or her EU treaty rights in the UK (i.e about to go to live and work there).

    Does anyone know if the EEA sponsor of the couple who entered the UK together has any practical or legal need to apply for a residence permit in the UK before the time comes to extend the non EU partners initial 2 year unmarried partners visa ?
     
  2. Coyan

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    There are a lot of grey areas as regards EEA Permits, domestic legislations and the issue of same sex marriages. The reason for these discrepancies and grey areas is due to the fact that EU Law does not harmonise legislation on the recognition of relationships. It leaves that to individual State and their domestic laws.

    Whereas the Netherlands may recognise same -sex Partnerships for the purpose of EU Law , Portugal will not. Another scenario is that whereas a non-EU Partner of a Dutch person would be issued with a Permit in Denmark and under EU Laws can take advantage of that same Permit and move back to the Netherlands, an Irish person in a same sex relationship with a non-EU Partner in Denmark cannot move back to Ireland under the protection of EU rules since Ireland,s domestic laws does not recognise same-sex relationship.

    The UK is mid-way in between. Since UK law does not as yet fully recognise same- sex relationship or partners, it handles such applications under domestic Immigration rules. As a result in the case of an EU citizen and his or her unmarried same-sex partner,the UK authorities treat the application under UK Immigration Law under the 2yr unmarried partners rule. The UK has to officially recognise same-sex marriage under domestic law before it can apply EU Freedom of Movement Treaty fully in this respect.
     
  3. ian-m

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    Thank you Coyan, for this.

    I have since yesterday been corrected re.my suggestion that Non EU legal partners of EU citizens will be treated like spouses for the purpose of UK immigration after December 5th, because (as you confirm) such relationships are not yet recognised under EU law- at least not EUwide.

    Much appreciate your clear comments. I have heard that there is inconsistency in the treatment of such partners in British Diplomatic Posts around the world, but given the grey areas, this is perhaps not surprising.

    As for my original question, I think I can assume that the only necessity for an EU citizen and their non EU partner to have a UK residence permit is:
    1) that the most usual way to extend a non-EU partner's leave to remain in UK is via the form EEC1 - with its dual role of residency for the EU citizen and the dependant partner.
    2) As a step towards Indefinite Leave to Remain after 4 years living and working in the UK. - ?

    On the other hand the non-EU partner of a couple who do not intend to stay in UK long term might decide purely to extend the EU family permit as it would not seem to restrict them from the working point of view at all.

    It may be that there would be little point in going that route, but I would be interested in your thoughts.
     
  4. ian-m

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    Please ignore the last two paragraphs of my post above. Clearly if the EEA family permit is not technically available to unmarried partners or legal/married partners (from Dec 5th.), then
    there will not be an EEA family permit to renew.

    I should have taken 2 steps back from my screeen before writing this !
     
  5. karlita77

    karlita77 New Member

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    Hello! I have written my doubts in another topic, but until now nobody has replied. I'm also a non-EEA citizen (Mexican) and I have a French partner, not same sex partner, but I also want to apply for the unmarried partners visa. I will go to Mexico to do it, so I will use the VAF2 form... I think we have all the necessary papers, we've been living in the UK for two years together, but for the moment we are in France on holiday and will move to a different city in the UK in October. The problem is we still don't have a place to live, we have to look for a flat in Nottingham, but there is no point to have it now as we are not there yet... Well, in summary, for the visa they ask for "adequate accommodation", so what do I do in this case? We were thinking to stay first with some friends in Nottingham while we find a flat, but I'm not sure what to say about it in my application... Thanks for any help!
     
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    It is perfectly OK to stay with friends or family for a few months (2 or 3 ?) while you find suitable accommodation - and, possibly jobs. You should make it clear that this is a temporary solution and show that you can afford to pay for a place of your own as soon as you find it. This may involve giving evidence of savings or CVs to show that you are employable.
     
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    karlita77 New Member

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    Thanks a lot ian-m for your reply. Just one other thing: if we stay with friends in Nottingham while we find a flat, what do I have to say in my application? Do I need a letter from my friends or something like that? Thanks again!
     
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    Yes, a letter from your friends, possibly saying whether they own the house etc should be quite sufficient.
     
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